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Resolved 2G Do I still need to recirculate air from Tial Q BOV?

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kengo

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Oct 17, 2023
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Hi, I have a question, do I still need to change the BOV or make adjustment to the BOV so that the air from the BOV can recirculate back into the air intake system?

I know a lot of DSMs out there would say yes to recirculate and I have read a few search here in DSMTuners but just want your experience or advice. My car has eBay Tial Q BOV 50mm and it has no air recirculation back to the intake. However, my car was remote tune already. Even though it's remote tuned already do I still need to change the BOV so it has air circulation back to the intake or it will be fine if it was remote tuned already since it is tuned to correctly runs the air and fuel? My car is a 97 Eclipse GST and was remote tuned using 99 GSX black box ECU. I have no speed density and stock MAF. So yes let me know what you have experience or advice if I should change the BOV or leave it since it is remote tune already.

My car turns on fine and idles fine, drives and accelerate good with good power but sometimes when the engine is getting hot or drives for like 30 minutes, the RPM surges or jump up a little and back to normal idle and sometimes when the engine is hot I shut off the engine and turn back on it seems like it hesitant to start for a second and then it will start fine and drives fine. I was thinking maybe it needs the air to recirculate back to the intake but it's tuned already so it shouldn't be an issue.

So yes let me know what you think, your experience, or suggestion to change the BOV so it has air recirculation to the intake, or retuned or change to speed density or it's fine as is.

I'll attach some pictures, thank you all in advance.

From the picture, it looks like it has air circulation but it's not, The tube that goes into the intake was blocked. I already check on it, thanks. Here is the Tial Q BOV 50mm from eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2837315972...=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY


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Run it the way it was tuned. If you dump it on a setup tuned for recirc, you’re losing air from the system that was already measured by the MAF and accounted for in the ECU. The ECU assumes that air will have to go through the motor and adds fuel accordingly. Without the air, it will run very rich for a bit. Power recovery on shifts is lazy after the BOV operates because it has to get over that excess of fuel first.
 
If you already have a "MAF" tune, you should be recirculating the BOV outlet as was previously described. In your case, you should swap to the Tial "QR" BOV, to recirculate the outlet. And since you listed it as a knockoff BOV....you should replace that thing anyway with a genuine unit.
 
If you already have a "MAF" tune, you should be recirculating the BOV outlet as was previously described. In your case, you should swap to the Tial "QR" BOV, to recirculate the outlet. And since you listed it as a knockoff BOV....you should replace that thing anyway with a genuine unit.
Which BOV will replace this Tial Q BOV 50mm so I don't have to change the pipe? Do you have a link to get a replacement BOV without changing the pipe, just swap the BOV only and also recirculating back to the intake, but if I do that I will need to retune correct?

Run it the way it was tuned. If you dump it on a setup tuned for recirc, you’re losing air from the system that was already measured by the MAF and accounted for in the ECU. The ECU assumes that air will have to go through the motor and adds fuel accordingly. Without the air, it will run very rich for a bit. Power recovery on shifts is lazy after the BOV operates because it has to get over that excess of fuel first.
I think so too, it was tuned for the way it is without circulation, if I change it to recirculation I will have to retune for different air and fuel. I might try to swap to recirculating BOV and if it's runs smooth and good then ill keep it if not I'll swap it back to without circulation.

One other thing is my car is not stock so i might just keep it the way it was tune. FP green turbo, 750cc injector and 255 fuel pump. Thank you.
 
Which BOV will replace this Tial Q BOV 50mm so I don't have to change the pipe? Do you have a link to get a replacement BOV without changing the pipe, just swap the BOV only and also recirculating back to the intake, but if I do that I will need to retune correct?
TIAL QR
Flange Adapters (If Needed)

If your car was "tuned" on a draw-thru MAF, with your BOV venting, you should at the bare minimum reset your fuel trims (pull the battery cable, and put it back on after like a few seconds). You might see some issues if closed-loop tried to compensate for any short-term rich conditions from the BOV venting but that's an unknown from an outside view. Most likely, you'll be fine ASSUMING your tune was decent to start with, which we have nothing to verify that.

Your intercooler pipe is already flanged for a Tial, you shouldn't need to change anything there.
 
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